• Doug Stoll
    6
    I just looked at a system with a Suncourt Centrax TF 104-W fan mounted in the garage, that has a room over it. I saw one place on line where the Centrax fan was advertised as a Radon fan and could be mounted outside.

    Questions:

    1) Any familiarity with a Centrax fan for Radon? It has a 5 year warranty and a fan curve similar to the RP145.

    1) What makes a fan a Radon fan? I thought it was the bearings, rated for outside, and better housing sealing?

    2) Why can't a fan be mounted in a garage with a room over it? Is it the concern over the rubber boots failing or that they can be loosened, with the potential that the pressure side of the fan could leak concentrated Radon. (Same issue as a fan in an attic with insulated and sealed roof rafters?

    Thanks,

    Doug
    Evergreen Radon
  • Robert Mahoney
    42
    I personally don’t have much trust in any fan, aside from the big 3, all of which, were tested by our Canadian National Research Council for leakage- especially important in Canada, where our fans, go inside- nothing survives-40 degs!
    Stop looking for cheaper alternatives is my word of advice.
  • Fred Ellrott
    5
    The fan not be in the garage if three is a room above because it can not be below a habitable space. If there was no room above the garage it would be ok to put the an in the garage.

    Fred Ellrott
  • Bob Wood
    86
    Doug others on this list may be more expert at what makes a fan, a "radon fan". Here in Canada we struggled with the same thing, In writing our mitigation standard for existing buildings we ended up striking a secondary working group around this issue ( it was the big three of radon fan manufacturers). I believe that the criteria they came up with was:
    1/ it was designated by fan manufacturer as a radon fan (not some sales team but the fan manufacturer)
    2/ fan had less than ???? 2% leakage
    3/ fan was made of a material that was not subject to breakdown

    Garages with overhead rooms above are a tricky subject when it comes to air sealing (very subject to individual trade or tradesman quality of work) and that may be why EPA and AARST have said that fans are not to be located in garages.
  • Bob Wood
    86
    Plese add: with rooms above
  • Terry Howell
    1
    The original EPA standard was developed out of concern for re-entrancement of the exhaust into the habitable space of the home. The issue was never with the fan leakage as much as the fact that the government said they could not regulate workmanship. Personally, and given the years of experience from our northern constituents, I feel that re-visiting this issue is long overdue.
  • Robert Mahoney
    42
    Well Terry, I have over 3000 systems, with fans in the basement and rim discharges and every one, is below 100Bq m3 or 2.7
    Some were as high as 20k
    So if that helps, stir the thoughts.
    One note, stick with the big 3, there is a fan, out there, from another manufacturer, that does leak!!
  • Bob Wood
    86
    While i agree with Rob on many things, I have one very cautionary note: Us northern cousins in the mitigation field are (currently) very heavily weighted to existing tradesman, that changes methodology as does the new focus of training and exam to communication testing/fan selection.

    Trades and something that nobody else knows how to do (communication testing/fan selection) adds value to what we do. Trades are seldom hesitant to charge for their time /knowledge and ability to stay in business. That is one of the reasons we have been able to hold pricing at a significantly higher level than our US cousins.

    Indoor fans without quality of workmanship/materials is a significant risk in the radiation world.
  • Bill Brodhead
    41
    I won't make a comment about fan placement but I can make some statements about fans used for radon mitigation. Leakage of the fan housing is one issue but there are many other considerations. A big one for our company was noise. If you are installing a fan inside the dwelling it must be an even bigger consideration for you. I tested the Suncourt fans 10 years ago and the vibration hence noise was significantly louder than the common radon fans. Maybe it has improved in that regard, maybe not. You can see the performance graph for this fan on my website.
    There are new fans from all the manufacturers as well as new fan suppliers that I have been trying to keep up on my website so you might check them out if you haven't recently. If you know of any fans not listed let me know.
    http://www.wpb-radon.com/radon_fan_performance.html#aTF104
    Bill
  • Jim Duffy
    5
    Bill - your data is extremely helpful. Any consideration to measuring noise curves also as noise is a concern for attic and even outside installs sometimes. Vibration is another but not sure you could do little more than provide subjective reporting.
    Jim
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